2010/06/03
> Cultee: Evidence -> Conclusion -> Rationale
> Normal: Evidence -> Rationale -> Conclusion
1. A local phenomenon born out of superstition and the local Hindu traditions of holy men.
2. Intellectually dead, morally dead, and planning their end game.
3. Deductive and inductive reasoning can both be used
4. Asluha sabitun wa faruha. No justice and no morality, like a corporation. Lies like numbers and homeopathy.
5. Then I saw the Islamic world and then their hatred for it.
6. Then I saw the hypocritical reactions and death wishes.
7. Then took 5 years to detox and rationalize.
8. Reconnected the chain broken by ggf and gf and f.
2010/05/06
From Rationalist:
St john of Damascus died on 4 December 749 he was an Arab Christian monk and priest. Born and raised in Damascus, he died at his monastery, Mar Saba, near Jerusalem.
He wrote a critique of Islam about 100 years after the death of Muhamad (saw). He mentioned the Islamic belief that Esa (as) was never on any cross, he also mentioned the islamic belief that ESA (as) was miraculously born without the agency of a male (sorry LAM). He also mentions the Islamic belief that ESA (as) was physically RAFA to heaven.
Although there are some errors in his critique, for the most part, he allows muslims to say that at least 100 after the death of Muhammad (saw), the muslims firmly believed in a person named Esa (as) who was miraculously born, who was never on any cross, and who was physically lifted into heaven.
^thats a factual transmittal of what i got from the critique.
"He says that there is one God, creator of all things, who has neither been begotten nor has begotten. [102] He says that the Christ is the Word of God and His Spirit, but a creature and a servant, and that He was begotten, without seed, of Mary the sister of Moses and Aaron. [103] For, he says, the Word and God and the Spirit entered into Mary and she brought forth Jesus, who was a prophet and servant of God. And he says that the Jews wanted to crucify Him in violation of the law, and that they seized His shadow and crucified this. But the Christ Himself was not crucified, he says, nor did He die, for God out of His love for Him took Him to Himself into heaven. [104] And he says this, that when the Christ had ascended into heaven God asked Him: 'O Jesus, didst thou say: "I am the Son of God and God"?' And Jesus, he says, answered: 'Be merciful to me, Lord. Thou knowest that I did not say this and that I did not scorn to be thy servant. But sinful men have written that I made this statement, and they have lied about me and have fallen into error.' And God answered and said to Him: 'I know that thou didst not say this word." [105] There are many other extraordinary and quite ridiculous things in this book which he boasts was sent down to him from God. But when we ask: 'And who is there to testify that God gave him the book?"
http://www.orthodoxinfo.com/general/stjohn_islam.aspx
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From khanzf
Shaykh Yasir Qadhi's phd dissertation is that john of damascus influenced the early formulation of eventually became the mutazilites